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	<description>The official blog for the revolutionary VisionForce human technology begun by Michael Ivan Skye</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Dienya</title>
		<link>http://www.visionforce.com/blog/?p=104#comment-1082</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Dienya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Michael.

I think the prices should vary from regions to regions, countries to countries (if that is possible). This is because the dollar rates, inflation, expendable incomes, etc vary alot from regions to countries. In Kenya, for example, $300 is a whole month salary of a mid level manager in the public service or government ministry. Majority of others earn much less and thus have very low expendible income. Even if these lots require the product, they simply won&#039;t afford it. The irony is that the people in these parts of the world may be the best target group to benefit from the product. what do you have to say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Michael.</p>
<p>I think the prices should vary from regions to regions, countries to countries (if that is possible). This is because the dollar rates, inflation, expendable incomes, etc vary alot from regions to countries. In Kenya, for example, $300 is a whole month salary of a mid level manager in the public service or government ministry. Majority of others earn much less and thus have very low expendible income. Even if these lots require the product, they simply won&#8217;t afford it. The irony is that the people in these parts of the world may be the best target group to benefit from the product. what do you have to say?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Skye</title>
		<link>http://www.visionforce.com/blog/?p=104#comment-1043</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Skye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 02:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to thank each of you for your time to give us well-thought-out ideas on how to solve this dilemma.  It has led to some very interesting ideas on how we can bring VisionForce to the world--without money as a barrier!

Stay tuned!  And thanks again,

Michael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to thank each of you for your time to give us well-thought-out ideas on how to solve this dilemma.  It has led to some very interesting ideas on how we can bring VisionForce to the world&#8211;without money as a barrier!</p>
<p>Stay tuned!  And thanks again,</p>
<p>Michael</p>
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		<title>By: lorenzo  Pancino</title>
		<link>http://www.visionforce.com/blog/?p=104#comment-1014</link>
		<dc:creator>lorenzo  Pancino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, i&#039;m  from  france and i&#039;ve been following your  vision  for couple years and i  always buy your program because it&#039;s afordable! so 100/150 $ would be the max i&#039;d pay but actually i know you and i know who you are and waht you try to spread and it&#039;s a great thing! but in my country  ,people are scared about new revolutionary thinking and programs, they always compared this to sect or whatever, so if you want  to seduce and spread you thinking to Latin europe ( italy, france, spain etc...) here are my several advices:
1- try to make a good translation of your work in another language than english: french, italian, spanish  etc.. ( because the automatic web translation is horrible and we cannot understand anything ! so it is not trustfull. and gives you a cheap image!
2- try to create a afiliation program and make a big world bizness by having your representant in any country controlled byr report!
because when you talk to an european like you talk to an amercian it&#039;s not the same, we don&#039;t have the same culture and the same way to  see the things, so if you explain a new way of seeing the world you&#039;d better be understood!, don&#039;t you think ?
3-reduce your price under 100 $ so you would be able to have  any kind of  people even the  richless..

actually,  i  &#039;ve  been thinking  of writting you since a long time to explain you my thoughts.
because  if you want a world wide revolution, just think that everybody don&#039;t speak English ( even though it&#039;s a pity! a agree ;-);
and that&#039;s why it&#039;s scared people here and i can hear them saying:
&quot;pff stll an another great American program to become better !!&quot;

Hope it wil help you mickael
long life to  your vision force
Lorenzo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, i&#8217;m  from  france and i&#8217;ve been following your  vision  for couple years and i  always buy your program because it&#8217;s afordable! so 100/150 $ would be the max i&#8217;d pay but actually i know you and i know who you are and waht you try to spread and it&#8217;s a great thing! but in my country  ,people are scared about new revolutionary thinking and programs, they always compared this to sect or whatever, so if you want  to seduce and spread you thinking to Latin europe ( italy, france, spain etc&#8230;) here are my several advices:<br />
1- try to make a good translation of your work in another language than english: french, italian, spanish  etc.. ( because the automatic web translation is horrible and we cannot understand anything ! so it is not trustfull. and gives you a cheap image!<br />
2- try to create a afiliation program and make a big world bizness by having your representant in any country controlled byr report!<br />
because when you talk to an european like you talk to an amercian it&#8217;s not the same, we don&#8217;t have the same culture and the same way to  see the things, so if you explain a new way of seeing the world you&#8217;d better be understood!, don&#8217;t you think ?<br />
3-reduce your price under 100 $ so you would be able to have  any kind of  people even the  richless..</p>
<p>actually,  i  &#8216;ve  been thinking  of writting you since a long time to explain you my thoughts.<br />
because  if you want a world wide revolution, just think that everybody don&#8217;t speak English ( even though it&#8217;s a pity! a agree <img src='http://visionforce.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ;<br />
and that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s scared people here and i can hear them saying:<br />
&#8220;pff stll an another great American program to become better !!&#8221;</p>
<p>Hope it wil help you mickael<br />
long life to  your vision force<br />
Lorenzo</p>
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		<title>By: simone</title>
		<link>http://www.visionforce.com/blog/?p=104#comment-1003</link>
		<dc:creator>simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael and Associates

I&#039;ve read other&#039;s comments -we do need people like you.
People also need people like me.
You have no idea of who I am - But, I also have the potential to make the difference somewhere - jesus, ANYWHERE. 
My visa is maxed, im broke, and in debt a lot of money. 
I can&#039;t afford your program.
If it was $80 tops - different story.

ps - I CAME ACROSS YOUR SITE INITIALLY THROUGH YOUR mOTHER&#039;S - SHE SEEMS LIKE A TOP WOMAN.

Thankyou
Simone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael and Associates</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read other&#8217;s comments -we do need people like you.<br />
People also need people like me.<br />
You have no idea of who I am &#8211; But, I also have the potential to make the difference somewhere &#8211; jesus, ANYWHERE.<br />
My visa is maxed, im broke, and in debt a lot of money.<br />
I can&#8217;t afford your program.<br />
If it was $80 tops &#8211; different story.</p>
<p>ps &#8211; I CAME ACROSS YOUR SITE INITIALLY THROUGH YOUR mOTHER&#8217;S &#8211; SHE SEEMS LIKE A TOP WOMAN.</p>
<p>Thankyou<br />
Simone</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Stoneburg</title>
		<link>http://www.visionforce.com/blog/?p=104#comment-995</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth Stoneburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish that we coul all get over our money issues but we are trained in poverty from the moment we are born. There is enough abundance in the world to make everyone wealthy. For now, how do we get people to soak up this information while attracting the funds to get the message out there.

I would suggest that your entire structure be mudular. That an interested person can spend $5 to get a piece of knowledge which leads to another piece. Spending $5 a week is ok for one but for another $50 is OK. It could be a self paced learning program. my2Â¢</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish that we coul all get over our money issues but we are trained in poverty from the moment we are born. There is enough abundance in the world to make everyone wealthy. For now, how do we get people to soak up this information while attracting the funds to get the message out there.</p>
<p>I would suggest that your entire structure be mudular. That an interested person can spend $5 to get a piece of knowledge which leads to another piece. Spending $5 a week is ok for one but for another $50 is OK. It could be a self paced learning program. my2Â¢</p>
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		<title>By: clyde furlong</title>
		<link>http://www.visionforce.com/blog/?p=104#comment-993</link>
		<dc:creator>clyde furlong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about doing like certain clinics &amp; attorneys do, and use a sliding scale based upon what the individual wanting the material can afford to pay. Or perhaps use the barter system. One gets trained in exchange for training one. One more possibility could be to show trust in those that are following you, and offer the material on a payment plan that does not involve credit cards or any bank accounts. Just trust that the payments will be made as sections of the material are delivered. If at any point in the process someone stops making payments, then don&#039;t send anymore material in advance. 
But do give them an opportunity to catch up and restart where they left off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about doing like certain clinics &amp; attorneys do, and use a sliding scale based upon what the individual wanting the material can afford to pay. Or perhaps use the barter system. One gets trained in exchange for training one. One more possibility could be to show trust in those that are following you, and offer the material on a payment plan that does not involve credit cards or any bank accounts. Just trust that the payments will be made as sections of the material are delivered. If at any point in the process someone stops making payments, then don&#8217;t send anymore material in advance.<br />
But do give them an opportunity to catch up and restart where they left off.</p>
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		<title>By: Seun 'General' Laoye</title>
		<link>http://www.visionforce.com/blog/?p=104#comment-991</link>
		<dc:creator>Seun 'General' Laoye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welldone GREAT guys behind the VisionForce/VisionaryMinds. Your efforts is being highly appreciated. The free online has been a tremendous help to me and I believe it will be to a lot of folks there. I am writing from Lagos, Nigeria, Africa. To get $ to pay for this new packege may pose a little problem here. Our economy is trying to pick up, but we hope for a better economy. If not because of this investment in ones mind shouldn&#039;t be something you debate at all!

Regards!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welldone GREAT guys behind the VisionForce/VisionaryMinds. Your efforts is being highly appreciated. The free online has been a tremendous help to me and I believe it will be to a lot of folks there. I am writing from Lagos, Nigeria, Africa. To get $ to pay for this new packege may pose a little problem here. Our economy is trying to pick up, but we hope for a better economy. If not because of this investment in ones mind shouldn&#8217;t be something you debate at all!</p>
<p>Regards!</p>
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		<title>By: Pauline</title>
		<link>http://www.visionforce.com/blog/?p=104#comment-989</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would probably help to some extent.  A lot of people can not afford to spend that much.  Personally, the reason I have not bought it yet is that I am a full time student.  I don&#039;t work and don&#039;t have any money at all.  After reading your news letters, I feel that about 70% of what you say is on target.  I have read a few that I don&#039;t agree with, but even when I don&#039;t agree with your point of view, I consider them useful.  Your news letter helps me think about things outside the box.  Thanx
Pauline</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would probably help to some extent.  A lot of people can not afford to spend that much.  Personally, the reason I have not bought it yet is that I am a full time student.  I don&#8217;t work and don&#8217;t have any money at all.  After reading your news letters, I feel that about 70% of what you say is on target.  I have read a few that I don&#8217;t agree with, but even when I don&#8217;t agree with your point of view, I consider them useful.  Your news letter helps me think about things outside the box.  Thanx<br />
Pauline</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Gott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Gott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now price is a object. I was injured and out of work for 6 months due to an injury; in which I recieved no income.
Down the road i will be back on my feet then money will be a litle eaiser to part with.
Keep up the work, one day i will be able to afford your courses and then I too will become better for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now price is a object. I was injured and out of work for 6 months due to an injury; in which I recieved no income.<br />
Down the road i will be back on my feet then money will be a litle eaiser to part with.<br />
Keep up the work, one day i will be able to afford your courses and then I too will become better for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl M.</title>
		<link>http://www.visionforce.com/blog/?p=104#comment-984</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Burkholders&#039; breakdown seems most thoughtful and potentially fruitful. 
I look at this as a consciousness raising exercise and a youthful peprally mentality, a striving to reach toward some kind of critical mass; I think it can use the input of age and experience to mentor and help build peoples careers. AsThey benefit from the personal coaching and achieve growth and increased net worth, then they can start to &quot;pay it forward&quot; The real growth for you Michael is in holding the vision together long enough to have a loyal alumnus of benefactors who become sustaining members who, through endowments and bequests and legacys, make sure that this is self perpetuating. How are you going to put that on a fast track?I hope You find people who have the means and recognize the needs, who are willing to take this kind of stand, and I hope they are reading this right now.!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Burkholders&#8217; breakdown seems most thoughtful and potentially fruitful.<br />
I look at this as a consciousness raising exercise and a youthful peprally mentality, a striving to reach toward some kind of critical mass; I think it can use the input of age and experience to mentor and help build peoples careers. AsThey benefit from the personal coaching and achieve growth and increased net worth, then they can start to &#8220;pay it forward&#8221; The real growth for you Michael is in holding the vision together long enough to have a loyal alumnus of benefactors who become sustaining members who, through endowments and bequests and legacys, make sure that this is self perpetuating. How are you going to put that on a fast track?I hope You find people who have the means and recognize the needs, who are willing to take this kind of stand, and I hope they are reading this right now.!</p>
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		<title>By: Werner</title>
		<link>http://www.visionforce.com/blog/?p=104#comment-982</link>
		<dc:creator>Werner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on my experience with many self-development material being offered the prices are high for many people that are trying to raise themself out of poverty or worse situations.
The irony is most of the time &quot;help is available but unpayable&quot; so in the end people get frustrated. The free on-line course is good.
More advanced parts of the course should be fee-based at the lowest treshold as possible. This will be an incentive for those in need to put more effort to  help those in need. Once they get money  a DONATION should be asked to help the developers.
Or some big corporations should be approached to help finance the development and distibution of the material as a DONATION. They would be rewarded with their names appearing in the distributed material. Instant Public relations for these firms.

Regards,

Werner</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on my experience with many self-development material being offered the prices are high for many people that are trying to raise themself out of poverty or worse situations.<br />
The irony is most of the time &#8220;help is available but unpayable&#8221; so in the end people get frustrated. The free on-line course is good.<br />
More advanced parts of the course should be fee-based at the lowest treshold as possible. This will be an incentive for those in need to put more effort to  help those in need. Once they get money  a DONATION should be asked to help the developers.<br />
Or some big corporations should be approached to help finance the development and distibution of the material as a DONATION. They would be rewarded with their names appearing in the distributed material. Instant Public relations for these firms.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Werner</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i must say that i think just the fact that you are posting this idea to your potential customers is the most important first step in  goiing about doing this.  i now understand the term &quot;beta-testers&quot;.  This makes much more since to me now.  the fact that you put this out there in the open, insatead of simply setting a price and going for it, then, if it doesn&#039;t sell, lowering the price and so on, is in my eyes the best way to go about doing this.  this allows you to get feedback from your most-likely buyers.  this makes good buisiness sense.

I however, will not spend money on this course or any other course for that matter.  if buisiness is what your after, then money is what you need.  if a revolution is what you&#039;re after,  then you need to gather people together for a common cause.  the money i give you for you to tell me that i must take a stand personally to make any real change will not help you further the cause in any manner at all.  the only way for this to truly work, is to do it at cost, and no more.  i know this sounds terrible, but i believe that all good ideas and systems of thought throughout all of history started out for a great cause.  all the revolutions that took place before us happened for a most noble cause in the beginning, howver, once a profit became involved, they became a downward spiral.  you can see this especially in the american revolution 230 years ago.  since then this nation has become obssesed with profit, our country&#039;s financial arteries becoming clogged with the sticky cholesterol of greed.  

if you are truly trying to start a spark in the flame of a revolution, i would say that you must keep profit out of the question.  while profit in the name of the individual is the best thing to happen to mankind since the discovery of time, profit in the name of a cause never turns out well.  honestly, i think that you can do the same with a blog on myspace, that you can do with all your products that you sell.  this is not to say that what you are selling is not worth anything, this is to say that what you need is accessabilty.  to get the word out, so to speak.

thanks for the opportunity to voice my oppinion on this matter.  i personally think that what you are doing here is great.  i dont want to you to think that i dont believe in what this is all about, i just think that this needs to be a more grass-roots issue, rather than a corporate issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i must say that i think just the fact that you are posting this idea to your potential customers is the most important first step in  goiing about doing this.  i now understand the term &#8220;beta-testers&#8221;.  This makes much more since to me now.  the fact that you put this out there in the open, insatead of simply setting a price and going for it, then, if it doesn&#8217;t sell, lowering the price and so on, is in my eyes the best way to go about doing this.  this allows you to get feedback from your most-likely buyers.  this makes good buisiness sense.</p>
<p>I however, will not spend money on this course or any other course for that matter.  if buisiness is what your after, then money is what you need.  if a revolution is what you&#8217;re after,  then you need to gather people together for a common cause.  the money i give you for you to tell me that i must take a stand personally to make any real change will not help you further the cause in any manner at all.  the only way for this to truly work, is to do it at cost, and no more.  i know this sounds terrible, but i believe that all good ideas and systems of thought throughout all of history started out for a great cause.  all the revolutions that took place before us happened for a most noble cause in the beginning, howver, once a profit became involved, they became a downward spiral.  you can see this especially in the american revolution 230 years ago.  since then this nation has become obssesed with profit, our country&#8217;s financial arteries becoming clogged with the sticky cholesterol of greed.  </p>
<p>if you are truly trying to start a spark in the flame of a revolution, i would say that you must keep profit out of the question.  while profit in the name of the individual is the best thing to happen to mankind since the discovery of time, profit in the name of a cause never turns out well.  honestly, i think that you can do the same with a blog on myspace, that you can do with all your products that you sell.  this is not to say that what you are selling is not worth anything, this is to say that what you need is accessabilty.  to get the word out, so to speak.</p>
<p>thanks for the opportunity to voice my oppinion on this matter.  i personally think that what you are doing here is great.  i dont want to you to think that i dont believe in what this is all about, i just think that this needs to be a more grass-roots issue, rather than a corporate issue.</p>
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